"5th June.
Karen White Was Not Transgender
Stephen Woods aka Karen White used a false persona"I did tweet Steph with the blog and ask for a response, but apparently he preferred to do the ironing (like a lady), thought I felt threatened and blocked me.
A week later, this appeared.
Julie Miller, another on Steph's 'team' was equally scornful, saying my use of the word 'nonce' to describe 'people who had committed suicide' was sickening. Thing is, I hadn't. I referred to nonces as nonces, and I steadfastly refuse to give them a posthumous pardon. One of them raped a four year old girl. No. Nicola Cope is a nonce, just like Jade Eatough, Marie Dean, the nonce formerly known as Nicola Florida and all the other NONCES.
Steph, no one is accusing you of being like White/Woods. No one. Please stop taking offence at the concern over the welfare of women. It does not look great on an elderly gentleman.
Paul is also on Steph's teamUpdate! Steph's Paul has only gone and thoroughly debunked Steph's exposè with one blunt, hackneyed claim. Bloody hell, try to remember the company line mate. I just hope for your sake Steph doesn't see this. Or develops the logical cognition to understand the implications. Nerve wracking ..!
Original here, my ripostes are here and here
"It is funny how we all remember some conversations - "Oh, he was terrible", said a very high profile, gender-critical person to me once. She was referring to Stephen Wood, also known as David Thompson and more infamously as one Karen White."(What is the point of this? 'Oh, he was terrible' is an anecdote? Like your underworld informants were... informed?)
"Karen White is one of the centre stones of 'terf ideology' - using an example of an individual case to smear the British transgender community."
(Here we go - accusing feminists of using smears while using an anti feminist slur frequently accompanied by rape and death threats. There's no such thing as 'TERF ideology'. There is radical feminism, and there is a broader recognition of male violence against women, and biological reality that permeates the whole of humanity - whether they chose ro admit it or not. But I see details, logical consistency and nuance are not strong points at Steph's Place.
Again, I'd like to know were you chanting 'not all men!' Before transition? Do you feel slighted by BLM activists?)
"To be fair, the gender-crits did not manufacture the Karen White issue - it was 'manufactured' by the reporting of the national press. "
(No, Steph, let's be honest - it was 'manufactured' by a grubby, amoral sex case who saw an opportunity that we have been warning about for years. It's nothing new, half of trans prisoners are sex offenders. Pretty concerning, especially considering how many times being trans has worked in mitigation and prevented someone being imprisoned)
"In short, anti-trans or sloppy journalists saw the words 'transgender 'sex offender' 'rape' 'attack' 'prison' 'women' 'trial' 'female estate' and 'guilty' - not looking into the actual facts of the case."
(Sloppy journalism? Please give me the tools to decipher between White and a 'bona fide trans woman'. Please tell me how I tell a transsexual from a cross dresser without the renowned genital checks.
You, Stepheny, got every single point wrong in your ideological screed. You know what's worse than not caring about truly vulnerable women? Using that apathy to maintain your grandiose, targeted ideological supremacy, keeping us in our miserable reserved places. You have a daughter, you say. What if she went to prison? Can you imagine having a child in that situation?
The hate for gender nonconformity is real - and there's few greater gender violations than for women to be incarcerated)
"A few local reporters following the trial did, but they were drowned out by the national press and, in particular, the right-wing newspapers who love to headline anti-trans stories."
"So the mud stuck."
(To whom? You genuinely think you're the victim here, even though no one associates you with White, even though you have a little clique with matchy-matchy haircuts, disposable income and time to focus on your pet projects. You are the victim, huh?)
"And today, three years on, we are still trying to convince the vast majority of people of the injustice the trans community feels of the Karen White slur."
(Oh, I know you feel it's an injustice. If only self identification campaigners had listened, huh? And if only you could manufacture a teeny, miniature fuck for the women who were seriously assaulted)
"So let's look again at this case and hope that some decent journalist from the national media will lay the Karen White ghost one day."
(This non-journalist has. And it's clearly triggered you, but what a pity you wouldn't respond to me, rather than dismissing me and blocking me...)
"The trial that got all the headlines took place in October 2018 at Bradford Crown Court.
The prosecutors were Mr Christopher Dunn, assisted by Miss Charlotte Dangerfield."
(Why do we need this filler? It's like you got nothing, but think it gives you an appearance of insight)
"The charges to which Stephen Wood (aka Karen White) was pleading guilty were that of multiple counts of rape, sexual assault, and unlawful (malicious) wounding. The earliest case of rape occurred in 2003, and previously Stephen Wood had served time in prison for indecent exposure and sexual assaults on children.
There was no question Stephen Wood had an abhorrent history of human abuse - he was a classic 'Category A' sex offender."
(Well now, considering a convicted sex offender helped draw up trans inclusion in prison rules, are you really that shocked?)
"But what went wrong that enabled Wood to get transferred to the female-prison estate?
Actually, several things."
(Self identification fanatics. Stonewall. Squealing wailing misogynistic bastards. An institutionalised hatred of women. 'Trans women are women' on blast every fuckin day. 'You don't get to police other people's gender!'. An incredible concentration on trans offenders who's background of rape and murder is obscured, while they are presented as victims . See the earlier blogs, Transgressions and They say they never feel safe but who are they?
Do you oppose this, Steph?
"Wood was very aware that the Prison Service procedures at that time (they have subsequently changed) meant that he could self-identify as a trans woman and easily get transferred to the female estate. This offered Wood two significant advantages."(Here's who reviewed the policy that allowed this to occur: "Two external consultants were used to inform the review process. These were Peter Dawson (Deputy Director, Prison Reform Trust) and Jay Stewart (Director, Gendered Intelligence). The review gathered evidence from a wide range ... including many in the transgender community, and met transgender prisoners serving both long and short sentences. To our knowledge female prisoners who may be forced to live alongside male-born prisoners were not consulted and no organisations specialising in advocacy work for women were involved in the review (such as Women In Prison)
"The new transgender policy brought with it many welcome improvements ... However, the review also relaxed the rules. Previously to this, legal gender change (through acquisition of a Gender Recognition Certificate) and/or having had genital surgery were the main determinants of eligibility."
He got lucky - still, Jenny Ann Bishop thinks it's not a systemic fail -
"The case boards are a good way of doing things – you can’t say the system is wrong when it goes wrong once."
(A huge comfort to those women, innit?)
"It is almost the exception that proves the rule – you’ve just got to look at what went wrong and make sure it doesn’t happen again. No system is perfect. It’s human nature that people will sometimes get it wrong."
"Firstly he himself would be in a safer environment. The male prison estate is not exactly welcoming of sex offenders unless they are housed in an 'all sex offender prison', such as HMP Stafford for example.
(More filler. He's an old bruiser who loves a scrap and isn't who I mentally picture when imagining a scared inmate. He was also under serious non-sex offence charges - easy to pin it on stabbing, stare a few inmates down and live in relative peace. In fact, if you look at Transgressions you'll see one prisoner who raped and murdered a vulnerable cellmate to do just that - serve a serious sentence for something other than a sex crime)
"Secondly, he would be close to vulnerable cisgendered females and trans women - potentially more victims. As a remand prisoner, he also enjoyed more rights - bear in mind the sexual assaults that occurred while in prison were pre-trial.
"Wood, on self-identifying within the prison system as "trans", was subsequently transferred to HMP New Hall, Wakefield (within the female estate), where he then started to wear a wig and female clothing using the name Karen White."
(BULLSHIT. I told you he was presenting as Karen years before. Studiously ignored, but it's blatant. Jenny Ann Bishop (of transforum) spoke of knowing 'Karen' back in 2013 -
“When I met her she was at the beginning of her transition. “She seemed like somebody who was very much going to plough her own furrow regardless of the community advice, and she was going to demand her rights"
(Nice of Jenny to stick with the female pronouns, isn't it? And here's an excerpt from transgendersupport.org
"Before entering the prison system White was living in a social housing complex.
One of the residents said:
“We did not have a problem with her being transgender. We already had another transgender woman living here and we all got on just fine,” the woman said. “She was always calling the police accusing us of hate crimes against her")
"Within a few days, White began to cause upset, and allegedly four incidents occurred these were:
(1) Stood close to another inmate, touched her arm and exposed herself.'
(Herself? Is Karen a transwoman or not?)
"(2) Pushed herself indecently against another prisoner."
(You mean pushed his exposed and erect penis into a woman while in a confined space? From The Birmingham Mail)
"The complainant, while waiting, felt something hard press against the small of her back. She turned around to see the defendant stood there. She could see the defendant's penis erect and sticking out of the top of his pants, covered by his tights."
"(3) Kissed an inmate on the neck."
"(4) Made inappropriate comments about oral sex and then put a female inmates hand on the ‘Whites left breast’ so she could feel her padded bra."
(Sounds like you're downplaying this here. Quite a lot. These women had already been gaslit, were trapped and then assaulted)
"After complaints, White was interviewed about the alleged four incidents - but contested two of them. For the other two incidents where there was apparently witnesses, he agreed to plead guilty to the subsequent charges.
"And so to court where Christopher Dunn, the senior prosecutor, said these words about Stephen Wood's sudden claim to be transgender when in the male estate:
"Allegedly’ transgender. The prosecution says allegedly because there are smatterings of evidence in this case that the defendant’s approach to transitioning has been less than committed."
"Then Mr Dunn added
“The prosecution suggests the reason for the lack of commitment towards transitioning is so the defendant can use a transgender persona to put herself in contact with vulnerable persons she can then abuse”.
(Do you seriously think he is an aberration? Why are 48% of trans prisoners currently serving time for sex offences? Do you not think it at all possible he was getting a kick out of the dress up? You don't believe he could be diagnosed with autogynephilia / transvestic disorder?)
"The national press did not report these vital facts and statements. There was an image of White in a wig, and that was it - he was trans.
(Bullshit. Here's your much hated The Times "Rapist Karen White in women's jail was trans faker". It contains this sentence:
"The government is holding consultations on proposals to allow people to “self-declare” their legal gender. Campaigners fear that opportunists will exploit the changes to gain access to protected female spaces."
(And you really should focus on preaching at your own, culpable, choir)
("White entered the UK prison system as
transgender" Says the Guardian
"The Yorkshire Evening Post reported differently - but what chance have they got against the coverage of The Times, Daily Mail, Telegraph, The Guardian et al.
None.
And more to the point, newspapers HATE admitting mistakes.
"Even in high profile cases, eventual apologies are often buried in small print on page 19. In short, newspapers can very often print whatever they want, and they can get away with it!
(White/Woods was identifying as trans before prison. However, most outlets reported on him as a predatory man who abused the system)
"In sentencing, the judge Mr Christpopher Batty said:
"You are a predator and highly manipulative. In my view, you are a danger. You raped two women. You sexually assaulted two more. You stabbed an elderly male in his home. You don't accept any responsibility [for the offences]."
"Stephen Wood serves his time in a male prison - but thanks to him and the errors of the prison service, bona fide trans women serve their time in male jails too.
(Ok. Both Alex and Danielle above say they are women. There are many more self identifying transwomen who have made no medical transition whatsoever.
Is that a women's prison they would go to, or a men's? What about your friend Julie who identifies as a woman half the week? How many adjustments are you expecting the prisons to make? What about non binaries?)
"And before we get into any gender critical cries of ‘well this is exactly what we said would happen with Self ID!’ let’s just firmly put a stop to that right here - prisons are a unique environment where we, as those who have a genuine respect for the safety of everyone, are making it clear that a problem existed but it is unique to prisons.
(That is such a lie - No one made an exception for prisons, EVER. Find me one example)
"This is an isolated area..."
(Except for all the other cases like Jessica Winfield, Kayleigh Louise Woods, Alex Baker, Paris Green or any of the many, many here)
"...where there is clear evidence of cisgender men identifying a genuine advantage to lie and take on a trans persona - there is simply no evidence that there is anywhere outside a prison environment where they have identified a similar advantage - they can already dress as a women to gain easy access to any women’s space but the clear evidence is they don’t see this as a viable opportunity in everyday life."
(Seriously, really? Not to be a Girl Guides leader and take girls away for the weekend? Not to get off within earshot of women in their bathrooms and changing rooms? There's so much evidence of it...)
"This is an issue unique to prisons and we have no issue in highlighting this.
"What is however just as important to note is that this vile case of Karen White was 3 years ago, yet still his crimes are thrown at us time and time again as if proof of the danger trans women are - 3 years on and not only is the example used incorrectly as he isn’t transgender but none others have been highlighted - so it just proves how rare it is for such crimes to be committed by trans women."
(Why didn't you check out our other blogs, Steph? Seems like you're extremely well barricaded into that echo chamber, it must get a bit stifling and smelly. Here's one of prisons - like all the others, it's completely backed up with links to original sources)
"Cisgender men still represent the genuine threat to women’s safety and ‘Karen White’ is just another clear example of that MALE cisgender threat."
(Are Dawn Love, Nicola Cope, Ella Davies, Jessica Ann Smith, Tiffany Scott, Jacinta Brooks, Aza McKinnon, Pauline Long, Davina Ayreton, Jessica Winfield, all the ones in the Rich Fantasy blog also 'cisgender'? Can you tell me how to spot the difference?)
"Everyone - cisgender and transgender has the right to be safe while in prison."
(Yes! Yes they do)
"Sadly though, on average, a trans prisoner suffers a sexual assault in the male estate every three days."
(Erm, that article says there were 11 sexual assaults against trans people in prison - just under one a month... Did you think we wouldn't look?)
"Do the gender-critical care about this horrific fact?
No, of course not."
(Don't be silly. You're the one dispensing zero fucks for the women abused. We want you to have trans only wings. Your side says no, it's not affirming enough)
"They dont care that trans women are threatened, beaten, raped."
(Projection... You are the one making this about transwomen. No one else. You are the one playing down the sexual assaults on incarcerated women, who suffer appalling rates of sexual abuse, violent trauma etc from men.)
"They don't care that Karen White used a trans persona - its works for their agenda to ensure White is branded "trans."
(Lies - the point that self ID removes all safeguards and will be abused is frequently cited. And dismissed by hollow laugh reacts, mocking and misogynistic slurs)
"We uncover the full and true situation of transgender crime stats and UK prisons in this feature article:"
https://www.stephsplace.uk/fair-play-to-women-and-transgender-crime.cfm
(To be perfectly honest, I can't be arsed with this now. It's too low hanging and just grim. Anyone reading these blogs will know just how unflinchingly wrong you are. I'm leaving the nonsense Steph so defensively promotes now. Maybe they can move onto something positive)
"Honesty matters"
(To who? It does matter to me - That it's genuine, that it's not a stack of tedious, cherry-picked bollox tarted up with a heart in a logo, a head tilt and grandiose, faux-objective hyperbole)
"Truth matters. "
(Regurgitating mantras like a rabid brexiteer won't convince, Steph)
"And the truth is Karen White only took on a trans persona once entering the prison estate. "
(Proved that's bollox tho, didn't I? Over a week ago, and showed it to you for a response)
Authored by Steph @PlaceSteph (murdered link 👻)
Steph, this is bad. But not just that. You're arrogantly centring your own feelings, as a person not affected, over the horrendous crimes of White and the hundreds of other cases in the UK alone. It comes over as deluded, self aggrandizing and utterly devoid of any concern for women - I fail to understand how you can so egregiously ignore them, while staking claim to that same being yourself.
Anyone genuinely interested in the failures that led to this atrocity, here's a copy/pasted Times article why was a convicted paedophile housed in a women's prison?
"Firstly he himself would be in a safer environment. The male prison estate is not exactly welcoming of sex offenders unless they are housed in an 'all sex offender prison', such as HMP Stafford for example.
(More filler. He's an old bruiser who loves a scrap and isn't who I mentally picture when imagining a scared inmate. He was also under serious non-sex offence charges - easy to pin it on stabbing, stare a few inmates down and live in relative peace. In fact, if you look at Transgressions you'll see one prisoner who raped and murdered a vulnerable cellmate to do just that - serve a serious sentence for something other than a sex crime)
"Secondly, he would be close to vulnerable cisgendered females and trans women - potentially more victims. As a remand prisoner, he also enjoyed more rights - bear in mind the sexual assaults that occurred while in prison were pre-trial.
"Wood, on self-identifying within the prison system as "trans", was subsequently transferred to HMP New Hall, Wakefield (within the female estate), where he then started to wear a wig and female clothing using the name Karen White."
(BULLSHIT. I told you he was presenting as Karen years before. Studiously ignored, but it's blatant. Jenny Ann Bishop (of transforum) spoke of knowing 'Karen' back in 2013 -
“When I met her she was at the beginning of her transition. “She seemed like somebody who was very much going to plough her own furrow regardless of the community advice, and she was going to demand her rights"
(Nice of Jenny to stick with the female pronouns, isn't it? And here's an excerpt from transgendersupport.org
"Before entering the prison system White was living in a social housing complex.
One of the residents said:
“We did not have a problem with her being transgender. We already had another transgender woman living here and we all got on just fine,” the woman said. “She was always calling the police accusing us of hate crimes against her")
"Within a few days, White began to cause upset, and allegedly four incidents occurred these were:
(1) Stood close to another inmate, touched her arm and exposed herself.'
(Herself? Is Karen a transwoman or not?)
"(2) Pushed herself indecently against another prisoner."
(You mean pushed his exposed and erect penis into a woman while in a confined space? From The Birmingham Mail)
"The complainant, while waiting, felt something hard press against the small of her back. She turned around to see the defendant stood there. She could see the defendant's penis erect and sticking out of the top of his pants, covered by his tights."
"(3) Kissed an inmate on the neck."
"(4) Made inappropriate comments about oral sex and then put a female inmates hand on the ‘Whites left breast’ so she could feel her padded bra."
(Sounds like you're downplaying this here. Quite a lot. These women had already been gaslit, were trapped and then assaulted)
"After complaints, White was interviewed about the alleged four incidents - but contested two of them. For the other two incidents where there was apparently witnesses, he agreed to plead guilty to the subsequent charges.
"And so to court where Christopher Dunn, the senior prosecutor, said these words about Stephen Wood's sudden claim to be transgender when in the male estate:
"Allegedly’ transgender. The prosecution says allegedly because there are smatterings of evidence in this case that the defendant’s approach to transitioning has been less than committed."
"Then Mr Dunn added
“The prosecution suggests the reason for the lack of commitment towards transitioning is so the defendant can use a transgender persona to put herself in contact with vulnerable persons she can then abuse”.
(Do you seriously think he is an aberration? Why are 48% of trans prisoners currently serving time for sex offences? Do you not think it at all possible he was getting a kick out of the dress up? You don't believe he could be diagnosed with autogynephilia / transvestic disorder?)
"The national press did not report these vital facts and statements. There was an image of White in a wig, and that was it - he was trans.
(Bullshit. Here's your much hated The Times "Rapist Karen White in women's jail was trans faker". It contains this sentence:
"The government is holding consultations on proposals to allow people to “self-declare” their legal gender. Campaigners fear that opportunists will exploit the changes to gain access to protected female spaces."
(And you really should focus on preaching at your own, culpable, choir)
("White entered the UK prison system as
transgender" Says the Guardian
"The Yorkshire Evening Post reported differently - but what chance have they got against the coverage of The Times, Daily Mail, Telegraph, The Guardian et al.
None.
And more to the point, newspapers HATE admitting mistakes.
"Even in high profile cases, eventual apologies are often buried in small print on page 19. In short, newspapers can very often print whatever they want, and they can get away with it!
(White/Woods was identifying as trans before prison. However, most outlets reported on him as a predatory man who abused the system)
"In sentencing, the judge Mr Christpopher Batty said:
"You are a predator and highly manipulative. In my view, you are a danger. You raped two women. You sexually assaulted two more. You stabbed an elderly male in his home. You don't accept any responsibility [for the offences]."
"Stephen Wood serves his time in a male prison - but thanks to him and the errors of the prison service, bona fide trans women serve their time in male jails too.
(Ok. Both Alex and Danielle above say they are women. There are many more self identifying transwomen who have made no medical transition whatsoever.
Is that a women's prison they would go to, or a men's? What about your friend Julie who identifies as a woman half the week? How many adjustments are you expecting the prisons to make? What about non binaries?)
"And before we get into any gender critical cries of ‘well this is exactly what we said would happen with Self ID!’ let’s just firmly put a stop to that right here - prisons are a unique environment where we, as those who have a genuine respect for the safety of everyone, are making it clear that a problem existed but it is unique to prisons.
(That is such a lie - No one made an exception for prisons, EVER. Find me one example)
"This is an isolated area..."
(Except for all the other cases like Jessica Winfield, Kayleigh Louise Woods, Alex Baker, Paris Green or any of the many, many here)
"...where there is clear evidence of cisgender men identifying a genuine advantage to lie and take on a trans persona - there is simply no evidence that there is anywhere outside a prison environment where they have identified a similar advantage - they can already dress as a women to gain easy access to any women’s space but the clear evidence is they don’t see this as a viable opportunity in everyday life."
(Seriously, really? Not to be a Girl Guides leader and take girls away for the weekend? Not to get off within earshot of women in their bathrooms and changing rooms? There's so much evidence of it...)
"This is an issue unique to prisons and we have no issue in highlighting this.
"What is however just as important to note is that this vile case of Karen White was 3 years ago, yet still his crimes are thrown at us time and time again as if proof of the danger trans women are - 3 years on and not only is the example used incorrectly as he isn’t transgender but none others have been highlighted - so it just proves how rare it is for such crimes to be committed by trans women."
(Why didn't you check out our other blogs, Steph? Seems like you're extremely well barricaded into that echo chamber, it must get a bit stifling and smelly. Here's one of prisons - like all the others, it's completely backed up with links to original sources)
"Cisgender men still represent the genuine threat to women’s safety and ‘Karen White’ is just another clear example of that MALE cisgender threat."
(Are Dawn Love, Nicola Cope, Ella Davies, Jessica Ann Smith, Tiffany Scott, Jacinta Brooks, Aza McKinnon, Pauline Long, Davina Ayreton, Jessica Winfield, all the ones in the Rich Fantasy blog also 'cisgender'? Can you tell me how to spot the difference?)
"Everyone - cisgender and transgender has the right to be safe while in prison."
(Yes! Yes they do)
"Sadly though, on average, a trans prisoner suffers a sexual assault in the male estate every three days."
(Erm, that article says there were 11 sexual assaults against trans people in prison - just under one a month... Did you think we wouldn't look?)
"Do the gender-critical care about this horrific fact?
No, of course not."
(Don't be silly. You're the one dispensing zero fucks for the women abused. We want you to have trans only wings. Your side says no, it's not affirming enough)
"They dont care that trans women are threatened, beaten, raped."
(Projection... You are the one making this about transwomen. No one else. You are the one playing down the sexual assaults on incarcerated women, who suffer appalling rates of sexual abuse, violent trauma etc from men.)
"They don't care that Karen White used a trans persona - its works for their agenda to ensure White is branded "trans."
(Lies - the point that self ID removes all safeguards and will be abused is frequently cited. And dismissed by hollow laugh reacts, mocking and misogynistic slurs)
"We uncover the full and true situation of transgender crime stats and UK prisons in this feature article:"
https://www.stephsplace.uk/fair-play-to-women-and-transgender-crime.cfm
(To be perfectly honest, I can't be arsed with this now. It's too low hanging and just grim. Anyone reading these blogs will know just how unflinchingly wrong you are. I'm leaving the nonsense Steph so defensively promotes now. Maybe they can move onto something positive)
"Honesty matters"
(To who? It does matter to me - That it's genuine, that it's not a stack of tedious, cherry-picked bollox tarted up with a heart in a logo, a head tilt and grandiose, faux-objective hyperbole)
"Truth matters. "
(Regurgitating mantras like a rabid brexiteer won't convince, Steph)
"And the truth is Karen White only took on a trans persona once entering the prison estate. "
(Proved that's bollox tho, didn't I? Over a week ago, and showed it to you for a response)
Authored by Steph @PlaceSteph (murdered link 👻)
Steph, this is bad. But not just that. You're arrogantly centring your own feelings, as a person not affected, over the horrendous crimes of White and the hundreds of other cases in the UK alone. It comes over as deluded, self aggrandizing and utterly devoid of any concern for women - I fail to understand how you can so egregiously ignore them, while staking claim to that same being yourself.
Anyone genuinely interested in the failures that led to this atrocity, here's a copy/pasted Times article why was a convicted paedophile housed in a women's prison?
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